Anger over LMH “fit list”

Angered LMH students have attacked a “depraved and offensive” fit list that was allegedly circulated around the college by “shit lads” on the JCR committee.

The fit list is purported to rate the attractiveness of female freshers at the College.

According to an email forwarded by JCR President George Barnes, which he claimed was from the Dean, the list was also shared on Facebook.

However the President has now dismissed the email as “misinformed.”

Some students alleged that Barnes was also involved in writing the list. One LMH member, who wished not to be named, in fear of “reprisals from the lad Gestapo,” said: “It is essentially common knowledge that the JCR President was involved in what I consider misogynist and unacceptable behaviour. This is disgraceful and I have lost all confidence in the JCR as a student body as it currently stands.”

However Barnes denies all involvement in the so-called fit list. He said: “I must say I laughed quite a lot when I read this [allegation] it is a prime example of a college’s rumour mill exaggerating something. What happened (as far as I am aware), is that at the start of this year, our drinking society thought it might be good fun to crew date some of the freshers, especially as this seems to be a common thing throughout Oxford. The problem was that we didn’t know too many of the freshers at the time. I therefore sent out an email (I assume this is ‘my involvement’ in all this) asking the guys if they knew any who might quite like to come. A friend of mine then replied with names of some girls he had talked to and thought might quite like to come, and a few others then chipped in with names of fresher girls who they had met and thought would quite like to come too.”

“At no point was their physical appearance referred to or discussed in any way whatsoever. After a few days we then heard of this rumour that we had been compiling a ‘fit list’. We wanted to be associated with no such thing so decided to cancel the crewdate,” he added.

But when some students challenged JCR President George Barnes about the list he “laughed it off and dismissed it as banter.” One LMH JCR member, who wished not to be named, denounced the fit list as “degrading” and branded those responsible as “shit lads.”

“I understand that the people involved in writing the list were compiling names of the female freshers that they thought were the fittest, and they would then presumably target them at one of their wonderfully laddish nights out at Wahoo,” he said.

“What I find rather disreputable,” the student added “is that this issue of a degrading list about female students was raised at a JCR meeting, but both Sawhney and Barnes brushed the issue aside. Everyone had a good laugh and then moved onto the much more pressing business of some shit about husts.”

Another student called for Barnes to resign: “This is a really serious issue. Clearly female students were so offended by this that they went to the Dean about it, but the issue was just brushed off in a JCR meeting and treated as “banter”. This has completely undermined my confidence in the JCR and I think it’s only fair that both committee members involved stand down,” the student said.

One JCR member was particularly scathing about the alleged fit list: “I find it abhorrent not only that these individuals found it appropriate to circulate such a list, but also that the issue was dismissed offhand with no explanation or apology from the involved parties. The way it was laughed off at the meeting reflects a worrying acceptance of misogyny as being part and parcel of the ‘laddish’ culture, which has sadly permeated the JCR. It has left me with no confidence in the JCR, and I have good reason to be believed I am not alone. I think they should either step down or face serious consequences.”

LMH’s Dean Professor Christopher Shields declined to comment on whether he was investigating the fit list: “I have no knowledge of what you are alluding to,” he said.

87 Responses to "Anger over LMH “fit list”"

  1. Graeme Wallace  25/11/2011 at 19:17

    I ran for JCR vice president with the hope of protecting people like James Phillpot by breaking the LMH lad Gestapo’s grip on power. Unfortunately I soon found that the Gestapo were not willing to cede their power democratically as nominations were re-opened under very suspicious circumstances as soon as my campaign started to gain some momentum.

    I am currently looking to draw inspiration from figures such as Nelson Mandela and Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma in the hope that I might lead a movement to free LMH from the tyranny of the lad Gestapo.

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  2. Graeme Wallace  25/11/2011 at 20:34

    This is the real Graeme Wallace. Whoever wrote under my name is not only irresponsible, but idiotic.

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  3. Graeme Wallace  25/11/2011 at 20:37

    No – I’M THE REAL GRAEME WALLACE!

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  4. A concerned female  25/11/2011 at 20:40

    Dear readers,

    I am very concerned at the way in which Kyle Sawhney, JCR Welfare Officer for Masculinity, has been implicated in this affair. I spent what can only be described as a night of passion with this man which – save the moment when I cut my wrist on his surprisingly angular face – was one of my best nights in college. He is an absolute gent, always devoting himself to the JOB at HAND, and definitely not someone to be compared to the evil ways of the Gestapo.

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  5. jak  25/11/2011 at 20:44

    glad to see the quality of this thread is beginning to mirror the quality of the article

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  6. Miles  25/11/2011 at 21:30

    Fuck the haters. Sawhney and Barnes you got my vote.

    -Miles Garrigues

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  7. jak is kyle sawhney  25/11/2011 at 21:37

    shocking revelation

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  8. Paul Taylor  25/11/2011 at 22:08

    To be fair. If you have seen the fresher girls you would feel the need to compile a list. They are top notch specimens.

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  9. a girl on the list  25/11/2011 at 22:42

    i was actually very complimented to be on the list…to those who werent…deal with it i.e wear some make up.

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  10. Fiona Spensley  25/11/2011 at 22:59

    I’m just offended I wasn’t on the list.

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  11. a girl on the list  25/11/2011 at 23:08

    its all about the make up

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  12. Graeme Wallace  25/11/2011 at 23:30

    I thought I was the real Graeme Wallace… a wee bit confused

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  13. Disappointed  26/11/2011 at 00:02

    Uh oh… Jak/ Kyle Sawhney is playing the OUCA card?

    The “pretend-I’m-am-impartial-commenter-with-shrewd-opinions-lol-jks-I’m-the-guy-in-the-article-and-now-my-career’s-ruined-because-I-tried-to-claim-allegations-were-false” card?

    Ouch.

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  14. VoiceOfReason  26/11/2011 at 00:17

    Guys, please, leave Kyle out of it, he really had nothing to do with it.

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  15. Philip Schroeder  26/11/2011 at 13:37

    I now regret blocking Ashley Bray’s candidacy for JCR President. This would never have happened under a Bray Presidency.

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  16. Bray for President!  26/11/2011 at 18:09

    Everything would be groovy under a Bray presidency!

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  17. Ronald Symes  26/11/2011 at 18:54

    Oh, bollocks, we should bloody well get Churchill in to whip the place into shape. Or Thatcher. Woof woof!

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  18. Graeme Mel Gibson Wallace  26/11/2011 at 19:30

    I AM GRAEME WALLACE!!!!!!!
    And I see a whole army of my collegemen, here in defiance of the Gestapo! You have come to study as free students. And free students you are! What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?”
    Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and tell the Gestapo that they may take our lives but they will never take our freedom!!

    Vote me

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  19. Richard 'F.' Russell  26/11/2011 at 20:35

    Lovely to see that, once the whole email thread was actually distributed those people who were so ardently calling for George and Kyle’s resignations and ‘had the emails’ were very vocal in their opposition to them, indeed it should be noted that none of the people responsible for the distribution of this information were even at the meeting. Clearly, in this case, not only have ‘the 1%’ been victorious, the truth has been as well. This further confirms that those 3rd year and 2nd years who were responsible for this are as cowardly as we all thought.

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  20. @ Richard 'F' Russell  26/11/2011 at 21:41

    Please learn to construct readable sentences – you are rather difficult to understand. Many thanks.

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  21. Miles  26/11/2011 at 22:01

    Guys,

    Now that we have discussed this matter in full, I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me where I could get a haircut in Oxford. Thanks!

    Miles Garrigues

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  22. The Men's Room  26/11/2011 at 22:03

    Hi Miles,

    Really glad you asked that. I too was getting tired of this discussion.

    Pop in for a haircut any time. We’re exclusively dedicated to men. No fitties allowed!

    7 Cowley Road, Oxford, Oxfordshire OX4 1HP, T: 01865 242555

    Your good friend Ricardo!

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  23. Ricardo! Vasconcelez  26/11/2011 at 22:06

    Kyle. So hot right now.

    Sincerely,
    Ricardo!

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  24. @R 'F' R  26/11/2011 at 23:23

    To falsely accuse a certain group of people of trying to dirty Barnes and Sawhney’s names is as as slanderous as the original comments made against the latter party.

    Plus, wasn’t another ‘no-show’ at the meeting one Kyle Sawhney himself? ‘cowardly’ indeed..

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  25. Richard 'F.' Russell  27/11/2011 at 02:12

    It’s not ‘falsely accusing’ though, is it? Because I guarantee if we got hold of the Beaufort Society mailing list there’d be emails urging people to go and grill George and Sawhney.

    Further, Kyle was there, he was just late and missed the first bit of proceedings but was there for the parts relating to this incident. Brave, in fact, brave.

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  26. Frankly...  27/11/2011 at 03:32

    There are not enough references to clunge in this thread. George Barnes would not be proud.

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  27. Jeffrey Archer  27/11/2011 at 14:13

    @Richard F. Russell

    “Further, Kyle was there, he was just late and missed the first bit of proceedings but was there for the parts relating to this incident. Brave, in fact, brave.”

    Turns out that you’re as much of a bullshitter as the rest. Kyle was most certainly not there for the scheduled discussion of events, the lapdog shaped hole on the sofa served as evidence to this.

    Lies, in fact, lies.

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  28. Lapdog  27/11/2011 at 15:30

    I take great offence at your comparing me to chauvinist JCR committee members.

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  29. Disgusted  27/11/2011 at 16:32

    It’s just shameful to see the sports lads get bullied by the poetry society. In any self respecting college it should be the other way around. LMH has let itself down.

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  30. helpful impartial bystander  27/11/2011 at 17:08

    This is the video ‘Buysy’ posted. can you let us know if you did catch any bears please? thanks x

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  31. Fred the Shred  27/11/2011 at 18:46

    Damn wish my college would do something like this and make things more exciting…

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  32. Richard 'F.' Russell  27/11/2011 at 21:06

    Kyle was actually there, he was just at the back as he came in late and didn’t want to barge through everyone to sit down

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  33. Joseph Tanner  28/11/2011 at 00:07

    Hmmm it’s not like girls never compile fitlists. Get over it.

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  34. jak  28/11/2011 at 01:22

    I think that’s a good point. Also the email thread proves there was no ‘fit list’ anyway – hence the allegations are false.

    I can see why people would have got angry if they’d heard there was a ‘fit list’, but now that its been shown there wasn’t, I don’t see how people can continue these attacks.

    Although it seems most people had the right principles in mind when they first talked about it to the OxStu (i.e. attacking and highlighting chauvinism etc), the more people lark on about it now after the email thread has been published makes it look more and more like the ‘attackers’ just have a deep and personal grudge against several members of the Exec. Obviously everyone can’t be friends with everyone, but I think it’s a bit unfair for people to use this as a way to get at people they don’t particuarly like, especially when the origional accusations have subsequently been proved false.

    By all means call them to account if you think they have done something inappropriate like making a ‘fit list’, but when its been proved they haven’t been done what they’ve been accused of, surely its time to leave it (and apologise if you are that way inclined)…

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  35. Mizter Monoyios  28/11/2011 at 02:28

    grrrrrrr…

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  36. Craig Lam-burt  09/12/2011 at 17:12

    Has anyone got a copy of this list?

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  37. FriendlyImpartialGuy  10/12/2011 at 18:12

    It would seem some honey-starved badger stabbed Barnes in the back and leaked the whole thing to Cherwell – bad luck, OxStu.

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